Ductile Liners, test-engine

[Jo]

Allready then...

As promised, the tread for the ductile liners, mounted in the rebuild engine. Today, 04/02/2010, the "naked" bottomend is at motoreco. This is a company who do all my skim's/regrinds/others. The bottom-end goes in the jacuzzi for a clean. All the mechanical parts are out. From oiljets to blankplugs, even the oilpumpdrive. The pistons/rods gonna get polished and weighted. If there's a diff. in weight, it will be adjusted.

Pics will come tomorow, when i picked up the engine.

[red21]

If the rods are standard, it would great to read how much differance in wieght there is between them etc.

[Jo]

Phil got the cup style rods. Standard material but smoothed in the corners for less resistance. The pistons dont have diff. weights.

[Jo]

If the rods are standard, it would great to read how much differance in wieght there is between them etc.

rods are replaced, arias pistons atached, no bearings:
1: 1305 grams
2: 1307 grams
3: 1304 grams
4: 1305 grams

---------- Post added 10-02-2010 at 12:10 AM ---------- Previous post was 09-02-2010 at 11:56 PM ----------

The last 3 days ive done nothing then cleaning, sort parts out, take measurments e.a

Im at the stage that i'm gonna put everything togheter, start with the bottom end.

First pics

After the first clean with all kind products and jetwash:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding023.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding023.jpg)

Inside:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding021.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding021.jpg)

Primer:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding045.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding045.jpg)

Final colour:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding069.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding069.jpg)

Oilpumpdrive for the bin, will be replaced by a new one:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding037.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding037.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding034.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding034.jpg)

pistons, removed small marks and polished
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding039.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding039.jpg)

Because the oiljets came up last couple days, i'll post some extra pics. These jets where new fitted last year:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding049.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding049.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding050.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding050.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding055.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding055.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding056.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding056.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding057.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding057.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding058.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding058.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding059.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding059.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding060.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding060.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding061.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding061.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding063.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding063.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding064.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding064.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding066.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding066.jpg)

more in the next days

[phil21turbo]

Thanks Jo..... Looking good ;-)

See you in 5 mins LOL I'm waitin in the hotel lobby

[jonboy21t]

Thanks Jo..... Looking good ;-)

See you in 5 mins LOL I'm waitin in the hotel lobby

with your trousers down......:biggrin::biggrin:

[phil21turbo]

with your trousers down......:biggrin::biggrin:

No that was Danny's bar!!!

Seen some of the work Jo's been doing tonight. He has been busy LOL.... Nearly there now, reckon I will hear the engine running in the next 2 weeks.... :cool::cool::cool:

P.S> cheers for the tasty Bolognese JO :wink:

[jonboy21t]

You been over again.....you're either addicted to chocolate or drug running.......

[Jo]

hes got clients in Mechelen, they have to smell the garlicl :biggrin:

---------- Post added at 12:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:55 AM ----------

back on topic now:

take a piece off paper and drawn the head/valves in an order that you cant forget there position.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding074.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding074.jpg)

Take the valves out and put them in bags with the same number as on the drawing.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding075.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding075.jpg)

Remove the valveseals, dont demage the guides.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding077.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding077.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding079.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding079.jpg)

Take the new valveseals that you find in the hg-set.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding081.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding081.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding083.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding083.jpg)

Set the new valveseals, i'll do it with a long 13. Make sure there straith on, its soft material so fubar before you now it.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding084.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding084.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding085.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding085.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding086.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding086.jpg)

Turn the head in a position that you can work on top and bottom for replacing the valves (cleaned valves/seats/springs already, thats not discribed in the picture) Note, these valves didnt need a regrind.
Obvious, place them back in the position like you numbered them.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding090.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding090.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding091.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding091.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding093.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding093.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding094.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding094.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding097.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding097.jpg)

valves back in position.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding099.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding099.jpg)

Replace the cam, slide it in from the frontside wich is the pouly-side:
note: use oil !!!
When the cam is in place, put some oil in the holes on top off the head and turn the cam arround.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding100.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding100.jpg)

Replace the camseal with a proper tool, dont use a screwdriver as ive seen before. The camseal can be find in the hg-set.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding103.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding103.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding104.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding104.jpg)

Because on off the headbolts/endcapbolts wasnt going smooth, there was some restauration needed (lol). I'll hope someone can translate it because i dont know the exact englisch word for it. Anyway, the holes in the bottomend, for headbolts and endcapbolts are M12x1.5 (normal M12=1.75) wich means that its thinner tread then usual. Must be a renault thing:biggrin:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding106.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding106.jpg)

After this ive replaced the oiljets. It is important that you put any kind off seal on the bolt that attached the jet on to the bottomend. Why ? 3 of the holes are true the head, its an open hole to the outside of the block.
I prefer Dirko, thats what they use on powerboats and racingcars. Never had any problems with it and it dont loose when become hot. Heat and oilresistant
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding107.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding107.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding108.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding108.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding110.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding110.jpg)

In the previous pics you can see that the crankbearings are placed on the bottomend. They come with 4 bearings with oilgroove and holes (bottomend) and 4 with holes (endcaps). Put the crank in position.
note: dont forget the half moon bearing (cant remember the englisch word).
Use oil !!!
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding111.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding111.jpg)

[jonboy21t]

busy busy busy.....Phil's gonna be well chuffed.....!!!!

[Jo]

still lots to do, and the weather dont give me any advance:evil:

All parts are in my garage at home, cleaned them there and rebuild the engine .... on the kitchentable on a blanket. Atm whe got snow again and its -6.

[Jo]

first delay turned up, the mother******************************************** ********** crankseal (front one) is missing in the set :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::e vil::evil:

[andybond]

I dont think the language barrier is causing any problems with understanding your frustration there Jo ..

[Jo]

good:evil:

[danb]

how quickly can you get one, where was the set from originally?

[Jo]

i'm already after it...thx for asking. Its a payen hg-set and also bottom-end gasket set.

Back to the pics now and the reason for this topic: liners-pistons

Ring fitment: Always put the gaps 180° and always put the gaps in the same direction as the gudionpin. Never on the blank side of the psiton.
These ring (ARIAS, chrome/steel rings) have 3 piece oilscraps, second ring and topring. First put the oilscrape ring on, then the 2 thing ones to keep it in place. The bottom one on the left side guidionpin, the top one on the right side. Reason for this is to reduce compression losses. The 2de ring, gap on the left side again from the gudionpin, top ring gap on the right side. Its pure logical.

After this take the liners and use lots of oil, the more oil , the better the pistons goes in.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding114.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding114.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding116.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding116.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding117.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding117.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding118.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding118.jpg)

Put the piston in the tool to slide them in the liners,again, use lots off oil:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding119.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding119.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding120.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding120.jpg)

place the piston on the bottomside from the liners. I did it from the bottomside so there couldnt be marks or demages on the topside from the pistontool.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding123.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding123.jpg)

Tap in the piston, gently ! Make sure it goes straith in. When you got blocked or the feeling that it dont goes smooth, pull it back out and start all over again.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding124.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding124.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding125.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding125.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding127.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding127.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding128.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding128.jpg)

Repeat this with the 3 other liners/pistons:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding130.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding130.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding132.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding132.jpg)

Next photos are the crankseals, as said before, missing the front one...
You can find the crankseals in the bottomendgasketset:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding133.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding133.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding136.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding136.jpg)

Seal and tool togheter:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding138.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding138.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding140.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding140.jpg)

Put some oil on you're finger and rub the gasket in, not to much, just enough that the seal is wet and put the seal in:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding141.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding141.jpg)

With this tool you cant push the seal to deep or demage the seal. Its got a spring inside:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding142.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding142.jpg)

Done:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding143.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding143.jpg)

Bring the bearing for the primaryshaft (gearbox) in place:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding143.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding143.jpg)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding147.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding147.jpg)

No pics from the front side, thats for later.

Manifold for other applications then the std T3.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding150.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding150.jpg)

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding151.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding151.jpg)

The reason for this is because T34/gt-series and other have the flat flange, the best thing to do is skim the flange on the manifold so it becomes flat to. Remove the studs, this can be sh*ty:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding152.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding152.jpg)

The manifold is brought in this afternoon for the skim, the same with the wastegate. Pick up on thuesday.

Some pics of the old turbo, with is compleetly FUBAR: Crack ? What crack ???

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding154.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding154.jpg)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding155.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding155.jpg)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding157.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding157.jpg)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding159.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding159.jpg)

And new turbo:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding160.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding160.jpg)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding161.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding161.jpg)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/th_mini-Afbeelding162.jpg (http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/?action=view&current=mini-Afbeelding162.jpg)

[danb]

nice one Jo.. shame about the small pictures

[Jo]

uh ?? thats new. Normaly when you click on the picture, photobucket opens ??? MrBond ?

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test
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding114.jpg

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strange, this one does it. Ive used the img thumbs like prefered last month. When you click on this pic, bucket opens.

[am21T]

Looking good Jo,
Hope u scrubbed your hands & is wearing a mouth mask while doing surgery to this eingine,

:cool::cool::cool:

[Jo]

Kate kicked me out of the kitchen :sad: I'm in the garage at home and my b*lls are freezing. Not much pics to follow, just fitted the liners/pistons in the bottomend:

First liner fitted:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/Afbeelding163.jpg

Before fitting the liners, make sure the linerseal is in place.Check liner n°4, small black gasket arround the liner. Obvious, slide it further down:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/Afbeelding165.jpg

Also, before you trow the liner in the bottomend, fit the big end bearing in to the rod attached on the piston:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/Afbeelding166.jpg

1 & 4 fitted, i must say...perfect fit !
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/Afbeelding168.jpg

1&2&3&4 fitted...
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/Afbeelding170.jpg

Next, hg and head...(later this night)

[DaveL485]

Good work mate!!

[Jo]

Thx mate, head is on now. Came inside to warm up a bit. I'll fix the small pics later this night.
The engine is ready to move.

[danb]

loving the look of that engine. I want..

[red21]

Snap!! Here's mine.....

I've been working in a nice warm workshop though.

[Jo]

Looking good Rich ! btw, how did the pistonstory turned out ? I'm after 1 wossner piston.

Hg postioning
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding171.jpg

Head attached, headbolts done at : 49-79-95 Nm
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding173.jpg

Rods : 49 Nm
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding177.jpg

[red21]

Looking good Rich ! btw, how did the piston story turned out ? I'm after 1 wossner piston.

Jo
If you are refering to this thread http://21toc.com/showthread.php?27890-Oil-jets-(Again) the end result was that the Arias pistons got machined down so the skirts were the same hieght/ depth as standard pistons and so far all is OK :confused:

The engine in the pic's is project 'B' (Bloody long time to complete) and may be taken apart again as I have changed my mind again on spec level.

[phil21turbo]

Hi Jo,

Looking NICE!!!!!!! ;-)

Engine Porn... :biggrin:

5th March at the dyno is like waiting for Christmas to come :cool:

[DaveL485]

**envy**

I'll get mine done one day.

[Jo]

Hi Jo,

Looking NICE!!!!!!! ;-)

Engine Porn... :biggrin:

5th March at the dyno is like waiting for Christmas to come :cool:

you mean 6th march ? :wink:

Sorted the front crankseal, found one in the magic box

[danb]

love the look of that block, what HG did you use Jo?

[Jo]

std my friend, Mr Victor Reinz

[Jo]

I'm start to get nightmares from cleaning the parts... Right, it start to look at an engine again.

Took the inletside apart and start cleaning today:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding226.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding228.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding231.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding163-1.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding165-1.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding167-1.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding171-1.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding184-1.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding188.jpg

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Manifold before and after:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding151.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding182.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding185.jpg

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Turbo assembly, hate it ! 3x repositioning for the oil-return and actuator rod:

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding189.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding197.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding206.jpg

DAMN !!! Again...
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding209.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding211.jpg

Better:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding212.jpg

Finaly:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding216.jpg

Cossie waterconnector: bad picture...
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding220.jpg

INFO-picture: GT serie turbo used on std manifold, gasket blown:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding224.jpg

[phil21turbo]

Love the pics Jo - Your doing some great work there!! I'm can't wait... 2 weeks to go :biggrin:

Appreciate all the time you are spending on my engine :cool:

[jonboy21t]

That inlet manifold looks the nuts.......i'm jealous Phil....very jealous.......

[andybond]

some awesome work there Jo , and massive time and effort spent. Kudos to you Jo ...

[am21T]

Well done Jo looking very nice,
:wink::wink::wink:


http://data.boomerang.nl/g/grafisch-lyc-rot/image/very-nice-borat/large/very-nice-borat.JPG

[phil21turbo]

This is what an english naked person would of looked like in Danny's bar, if his name was Amrit:biggrin:

Very good Armpit...

[am21T]

This is what an english naked person would of looked like in Danny's bar, if his name was Amrit:biggrin:

Very good Armpit...
Yes but there can only be one naked person in Dannys bar
and thats

U
Local Entertainment (free)LOL,

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[Jo]

taken the old razor out, there where no real big surprices so it went ...well (except for some small issues)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding163-3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding164-3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding165-3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding166-3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding167-3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding168-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding169-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding170-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding171-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding172-1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding173-1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding174-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding175-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding176-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding177-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding178-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding179-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding180-1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding181.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/phil%20rebuild%20feb%202010/mini-Afbeelding182-1.jpg

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naked engine in the car attached to the gearbox. Clutch slave cilinder replaced, starter motor replaced. Some parts like the oilconnection have to be cleaned and sprayed. Thats gonna happen today. After that i'm start with the powersteering and spannersytem that is still attached on the car.

NOTE: The timingbelt kit from ebay has the Ph1 spannersystem (with spring!) and have no markline (timingline's) on the belt ! When used make sure that crank and cam are in the exact position !

PS: Phil, i'll mounted a new spanner (ph2) SKF on the engine. Didnt use the springtype.

[phil21turbo]

Thanks Mate... Wish I could be there to help.

Was the slave cylinder on the red car broken ?

[Jo]

Replaced is the wrong word, repositioned better. Its the same slave, but missed the rubber cover. If you want i can replace it with anoter one ? But i need to now it asap.

[Jo]

Sunday progress: the bl***y camera died :evil:

-All belts back on
-waterpump fitted
-enginemounts fitted
-powersteering pump fitted
-oillevel sensor back in
-oilpumpdrive and pouly fitted
-alternator fitted
-tbcover fitted

Next: wiringloom and finish the inletside

[DaveL485]

I wish I had that sort of 1)Space, 2)Time and 3)Money......:cool:

Keep it up mate!

[johnspin]

nice one jo:biggrin: when you going to do mine?:rolleyes: ................................... i,m still waiting lol:sad:

[Jo]

Uh ? After march 6.

[Jo]

camera still dead...waiting on battery's.

Update: the car is almost completed. Front end is on with the cossie IC without any cuts ! Fits like a glove! Fitted a fan on the rear off the rad. Inletside plumbed in, exhaust side also. Just need to do the downpipe and other exhaust, FPR and some earths. Oilpressure/temp/boost/watertemp sensors in place, just need to wired them up.

[danb]

excellent, by Cossie IC you mean the IC that Phil had in the silver one?

[Jo]

yes, thats the one. Even the std nosecone (uncut) is fitted.

[danb]

nice work, cant wait for Phil to take me out in it once its back in the UK.

By the way, are you going to drive the car to bed/run the engine in prior to whacking it straight on the dyno for mapping?

[Jo]

cant do that, new turbo, liners, bearings... it needs at least 150 km run in. Prob. from wednessday til friday i'm gonna testdrive her. I need to visit Henk also for a new ecu and chip before i'm gonna fire her up.

[phil21turbo]

:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

[maartenTQ]

I cant wait to hear it run for the first time.
I heard from jo that he had some minor problems this weekend i wanted to help but i had to work unfortunetly

[Jo]

some minor problems

Fcuk me...

thats the soft expression, LOL

[maartenTQ]

Fcuk me...

thats the soft expression, LOL

we have seen worse LOL :wink:

[Jo]

Update: 8 march 2010

Liners: tested
Result: positive
Boost: tested till 25 psi (1.7 bar) , mapped at 23 psi (1.5 bar)
wheelpower (high temp.): 247.9
wheelpower (normal temp): 255
enginepower (high temp.): 292
enginepower (normal temp.): 303
wheeltorque (high temp): SAE 390nm (288 Lbft)
wheeltorque (normal temp): SAE 418nm (308 Lbft)
torque flywheel (high temp): 459 nm (338.5 Lbft)
torque flywheel (normal temp): 492 nm (363 Lbft)

Groupbuy for the liners get started. Offcourse the people that helped us with donations for the testliners have the first serve.
Again, thank you for the donations. It helps to create new parts and keep the 21's alive (and kicking).

[danb]

wow surprising the amount of difference in torque at the different temperatures. What temperatures out of interest?

[Jo]

75°-85° normal temp

90°-100° high temp

Didnt had accurate readings on the oiltemp, gauge was a bit dodgy. The more testfigures whe have, the better. Its always handy when you have to compare cooling (overall)

High engine/water temp. has a negative effect on the air inlet.temp. Its just logic. Compare it when you drive on a cold misty morning and an afternoon with 30° sunshine (when that ever happens).

[cbr]

Excellent news Jo :biggrin:

I may be needing a set of liners now as mine are rusty, do you know the cost of the rebuild in the end?

[Jo]

what do you exactly mean with rebuild Craig ? The whole off it ? Incl bearings (mains/bigends), all gaskets, waterpump, timingbelt ...blablabla ???

[cbr]

what do you exactly mean with rebuild Craig ? The whole off it ? Incl bearings (mains/bigends), all gaskets, waterpump, timingbelt ...blablabla ???

Yes Jo

[Jo]

pff, difficult to say. Parts are more expansive over here then in UK. Thats why i'm ordering most of it over there.

This is what you need for a regular rebuild:
-headgasketset
-bottomendgasketset (only avaible ph1), for ph2 you need strngt.plate gasket and sump gasket.
-waterpump
-timingbeltkit
-headskim
-pistonrings
-powersteering belt
-waterpump/alt belt
-coolant
-oil & filter
-gearbox oil
-powersteering oil
-sparkplugs
-dizzycap and rotor
-main bearing
-big ends

think that those are the most parts you need...start looking for prices. Told Jon last weekend that i would be arround 500£, pure guess.

[cbr]

Thanks Jo, I was only after an idea of what it would cost

[|sAs|]

pff, difficult to say. Parts are more expansive over here then in UK. Thats why i'm ordering most of it over there.

This is what you need for a regular rebuild:
-headgasketset
-bottomendgasketset (only avaible ph1), for ph2 you need strngt.plate gasket and sump gasket.
-waterpump
-timingbeltkit
-headskim
-pistonrings
-powersteering belt
-waterpump/alt belt
-coolant
-oil & filter
-gearbox oil
-powersteering oil
-sparkplugs
-dizzycap and rotor

think that those are the most parts you need...start looking for prices. Told Jon last weekend that i would be arround 500£, pure guess.

Don't you change the crank and rod bearings?

[Jo]

yes offcourse, thx, forgotten them.

[cbr]

So around £500 would cover everything bar the Liners.

I've bought an engine off Make Everything so will be fitting that to hopefully get the Quadra back in use, I then want to rebuild the original engine (with a few improvments along the way, like Ductile Liners)

[Jo]

i have no idea on ring-prices in the uk but over here they are 230 €, meaning that you nog gonna make it with 500

[danb]

you mean piston rings? what piston rings are recommended for use on these liners?

[Jo]

you can use std rings/pistons on the ductile liners

[cbr]

Anyone have an idea on STD piston ring prices?

And Jo thanks again for the info

[Jo]

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd11/joke222/allerlei/Afbeelding043.jpg

[cbr]

so around £210 in the UK then

[Jo]

you now wich rings you need ? Ph1 and 2 have diff rings !

[danb]

why the hell are rings so f..king expensive!

[Jo]

beats me, you can buy steel/chrome rings for 158 €. LOL

Think the renault stealership needs money.

[danb]

Wossner rings?

[Jo]

wossner , Arias, you name it.

Check: www.totalseal.com