My Quadra

[Andyquadra]

Well seeing as my Quadra's been off the road for 4 years and I haven't worked on it since november last year, I bolted some of the fuel system in this morning.

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0076.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0076.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0077.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0077.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0083.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0083.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0082.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0082.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0084.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0084.jpg)

[Jo]

very nice !

[Andyquadra]

very nice !

Thank you Jo
Just got to measure up for the fuel lines from the back to the front, and thats the fuel system done.

Andy

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And a couple of pics of the inside
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0087.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0087.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0088.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0088.jpg)

[danb]

Whats that silly steering wheel? lol

[Andyquadra]

Whats that silly steering wheel? lol

That'll be quick release :icon_biggrin:
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0092.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0092.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0090.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0090.jpg)

[Tony]

Nice one Andy it is good to see you finally getting the Quaddie sorted.

[danb]

put the sexy original Renault one back on

[andybond]

the ornament is alive !

[Andyquadra]

the ornament is alive !


LOL not yet!

Andy

[DaveL485]

the ornament is still sat in the garage !

EFA lol

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Come on son, now you're rolling again don't stop!! Get it finished :icon_biggrin:

[Andyquadra]

seeing as the fuel pump was sitting 95mm off the battery tray I thought I'd better make something to hold it properly
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0090-1.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0090-1.jpg)

[DaveL485]

Two updates in a week? God, you'll be finished in what....2 or 3 years? :icon_lol:

[Andyquadra]

Two updates in a week? God, you'll be finished in what....2 or 3 years? :icon_lol:

f cough

[Andyquadra]

Two updates in a week? God, you'll be finished in what....2 or 3 years? :icon_lol:

Ok is seems I'm on a roll! so I thought I'd measure up the caliper brackets for these little babies
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0091-1.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0091-1.jpg)

[danb]

I want those please..thank you

[Andyquadra]

seeing as the fuel pump was sitting 95mm off the battery tray I thought I'd better make something to hold it properly
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0090-1.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0090-1.jpg)

I thought the bracket was looking a bit heavy :icon_biggrin:
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0092-1.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0092-1.jpg)
Don't want it to slow the car down! LOL

[DaveL485]

Tidy.

At least use some ingenuity with the retainer though, a jubilee? Come on....

[Andyquadra]

Tidy.

At least use some ingenuity with the retainer though, a jubilee? Come on....

what would you use?

[DaveL485]

what would you use?

Elastic bands :icon_lol:

[Tony]

A Zip tie and some sticky back plastic lol.

[Andyquadra]

If I'd had a larger block of aluminium knocking around I could have machined something with a bolt down clamp. But all I had was a bit of flat bar and an off cut of 60mm bar.

Andy

I'v just ordered and HE30 aluminium for the caliper brackets, so thats next

[Tony]

Andy, is that cadbury quality? lol.

What would be the cost's involved for the work as i'm going to need some brackets making up at some point soon.

[Andyquadra]

Andy, is that cadbury quality? lol.

What would be the cost's involved for the work as i'm going to need some brackets making up at some point soon.


HE30 is the grade of ally that the guy in ppc mag has just had his caliper brackets made from, its suppost to be strong enough to put a good thread in, but I'v designed my brackets so that everything can be nut&bolts.

Cost wise the 2 25mmX20mmX200mm are £13.50 delivered off ebay but lots of time measuring up and making (the fuel pump bracket took 5 hours to make, its all about the fun of being able to make these parts and not pay someone else to do it)

Andy

[Lee_R21Turbo]

Good to see you're finally making some progress mate.

Are you going to rubber mount the pump as well?

What pump are you going to use as a lift pump?

[DaveL485]

What pump are you going to use as a lift pump?

Couple of old wash-wipe motors :icon_lol:

At the minute, i'm setting up with a std pump as the lift pump and an Impreza Turbo pump in the engine bay off the swirl pot.

[Lee_R21Turbo]

You want a low pressure high flow pump for the lift pump dude! Like a Holley for example!

[Andyquadra]

Good to see you're finally making some progress mate.

Are you going to rubber mount the pump as well?

What pump are you going to use as a lift pump?

Who are you? LOL

yer the pump is sitting on 3X2mm thick strips of rubber, the 'lift pump' is a standard cossie pump as its still mounted where the standard fuel pump is and the swirl pot is it the engine bay, and the one in the engine bay is a 044 pump

Andy

[Andyquadra]

Well I haven't done anything so far this weekend, but last week I got the car up on ramps at the back and axle stands at the front, no bad as the car can't drive its self!
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0096.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0096.jpg)
Also after working out how I was going to bolt the calipers to the hubs, I thought I'd better see if they where going to fit behind the rims......its tight, but I like it tight! about 3mm clear!
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0098.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0098.jpg)

Also I'm not going to post all the pics of my engine build, so here's the link
http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/New%20Engine/

Andy

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Now the 4 pots fit behind my 16's, I'm going to sell a set of 17's I'v got. The rims are brand new as are the goodyear rubber, the parada's are low mileage. Both sets of rubber are 215/40/17 to fill up the 8j rims. If anyones interested drop me a pm, I want £400
Andy
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Rims/th_PICT0092.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Rims/?action=view&current=PICT0092.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Rims/th_PICT0090.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Rims/?action=view&current=PICT0090.jpg)

[Andyquadra]

Right, got round to fitting the drivers side engine mount
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0103.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0103.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0105.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0105.jpg)

Then played with the milling machine to drill and countersink the discs
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0110.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0110.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0109.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0109.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0112.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0112.jpg)

Having done that, it means I could do this:icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin:
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0113.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0113.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0115.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0115.jpg)

[cbr]

Picking up momentum now Andy.

Those calipers look awesome, Where did you get the solid mounts?

[DaveL485]

Lovely jubbly, although some deeper pads wouldn't go amiss you've got a good 10mm of useable disc under the pad that won't be touched.

Craig he's making the adapters himself I think.

Nice setup, but bit of an overkill for stopping it rolling out of the garage :icon_lol:

[Andyquadra]

Yer I'm making everything myself :icon_lol: I'll post a pic when the brackets are finished, but they are very simple

Andy

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Lovely jubbly, although some deeper pads wouldn't go amiss you've got a good 10mm of useable disc under the pad that won't be touched.

When the brackets are finished the calpier will be sitting about 5mm further in, to get bigger pads you'd need a different caliper and they wont fit behind 16" rims

Andy

[Andyquadra]

Well I'v had this week off work to get some jobs, and the first was to sort out the rust I found when taking the drivers side hub off
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0117.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0117.jpg)
then
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0118.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0118.jpg)
and now
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0119.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0119.jpg)

[DaveL485]

Very nice, proper ornamental like :icon_lol:

[Andyquadra]

Might be taking the engine out! will find out next week :icon_wink:

Andy

[Andyquadra]

Bit more bolting on today, finished off the fuel system with these
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/th_PICT0116.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/?action=view&current=PICT0116.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/th_PICT0121.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/?action=view&current=PICT0121.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/th_PICT0123.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/?action=view&current=PICT0123.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/th_PICT0125.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/?action=view&current=PICT0125.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/th_PICT0128.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/?action=view&current=PICT0128.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/th_PICT0129.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Fuel%20system/?action=view&current=PICT0129.jpg)

[danb]

sexy

[Andyquadra]

well, the new axle stands are going to make it a bit easyer to finish off the exhaust, and thats next weekends goal!

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0126.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0126.jpg)

[DaveL485]

Coming along nicely now then.

[cbr]

well, the new axle stands are going to make it a bit easyer to finish off the exhaust, and thats next weekends goal!

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/th_PICT0126.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/?action=view&current=PICT0126.jpg)


Keep us posted fella :icon_biggrin:

[Andyquadra]

Keep us posted fella :icon_biggrin:

well, if I don't the cars fallen off the stands and I'm upder it! LOL

Andy

[cbr]

well, if I don't the cars fallen off the stands and I'm upder it! LOL

Andy

Finger crossed for you mate :icon_biggrin: We should all take pics of our cars on Axle stands, mine has been sat on them for about 3 months

[Andyquadra]

Finger crossed for you mate :icon_biggrin: We should all take pics of our cars on Axle stands, mine has been sat on them for about 3 months

LOL my car's beed in the garage for just over 4 years!

Andy

[cbr]

LOL my car's beed in the garage for just over 4 years!

Andy

I'm catching up slowly, mines been on the drive since FCS 2007, it did move briefly in 2008 when I took it for an MOT and it passed with a knackered rear diff and a leaky HG :icon_lol:

[Jo]

Looking good Andy, real good !

[Andyquadra]

Thought I'd better put up some pics of these big beauties and brackets
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/th_PICT0133.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/?action=view&current=PICT0133.jpg)
with only 3mm between the disc and hub, I was a bit stumped on how to bolt the bracket on! I wasn't going to space the disc away from the hub so I came up with this
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/th_PICT0135.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/?action=view&current=PICT0135.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/th_PICT0136.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/?action=view&current=PICT0136.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/th_PICT0140.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/?action=view&current=PICT0140.jpg)
Then all I had to do was drill 4 holes in the right places like this
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/th_PICT0138.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/?action=view&current=PICT0138.jpg)
and you get something like this
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/th_PICT0143.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/4%20pots/?action=view&current=PICT0143.jpg)

Andy

[cbr]

Like Jo said mate, It's looking good

[Andyquadra]

Only had about 2 or so hours spare this weekend :icon_sad:
Anyway got on with a bit of exhaust making
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/th_PICT0177.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/?action=view&current=PICT0177.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/th_PICT0178.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/?action=view&current=PICT0178.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/th_PICT0179.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/?action=view&current=PICT0179.jpg)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/th_PICT0185.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/?action=view&current=PICT0185.jpg)
I'm very pleased as I'm past the prop center bearing and its only 1-1 1/2inch below the underneath of the car, and its 3" with a silencer just after the gearbox. Because I'm going for a side exit I'v gone for 2 silencers as the 2 1/2" side exit I had before only had 1 silencer and that was like a jet engine on boost!

Andy

[danb]

umm, why side exit?

[Andyquadra]

umm, why side exit?

You never been in a car with a side exit? FPMSL Turbo lag is halfed, boost hits you harder than a sledge hammer and when it comes on boost.....its like a jet engine! AND it the flames.... best I had was about 2 feet, more than enough to get ankles! LOl
Dan, I'v still got the old side exit, you might be able to make some use of it?

Andy

[DaveL485]

I think thats the first sidey we made.

Bit rude wasn't it :icon_lol:

[danb]

LOL what diameter is it,

didnt think it would have any effect on the engine, but hey I've learnt something..God I love you guys


LOL!

[Lee_R21Turbo]

I was trying to figure out what was different about your prop - then I realised you've got a different donut!

Get some pics up of around the prop after the strengthening plate for comparison purposes.

Are you using stainless wire?

Looking good though mate....excellent stuff

Lee

[Andyquadra]

Yer was useing .8mm stainless wire but I only had a co2/argon mix and not pure argon. Whats different with the dounut? and what strengthening plate?

Andy

[danb]

your centre bearing is different, or atleast different to both of mine!

[Andyquadra]

maybe its been replaced at some point, but I'v had the car for 6 years

Andy

[Lee_R21Turbo]

Basically everything in this photo...LOL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Lee_R21Turbo/Tonys/P1030728.jpg

[Andyquadra]

God, a prop bearing like that would make my life sooooooooo easy! The strengthing bar that links the transmission tunnel was redesigned when the last 2 1/2" exhaust was made due to lack of space, also maybe thats why my center bearing hasn't needed to be replaced yet?
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/th_PICT01792.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Exhaust/?action=view&current=PICT01792.jpg)

Andy

[Jo]

the pic from Lee shows the original bearing mate.

[danb]

yeah your bearing is very odd Andy LOL

[Lee_R21Turbo]

God, a prop bearing like that would make my life sooooooooo easy! The strengthing bar that links the transmission tunnel was redesigned when the last 2 1/2" exhaust was made due to lack of space.
Andy

LOL @ re-designed - did Dave get his Cadburys racking out again!! :icon_eek::icon_eek:

Just a thought Andy - have you tried to rotate the bearing around 180 degrees so that the part thats getting in your way actually sits up into the tunnel rather than hanging below?

[Andyquadra]

yeah your bearing is very odd Andy LOL

I like being different!:icon_lol:

LOL Lee, it was way before he was working for Cadburys, more B&Q
and no chance it'll rotate 180

Andy

[Lee_R21Turbo]

I think with a bit of fettling it would rotate around you know mate.

Either that or remove the corner nearest the exhaust, perhaps welding in a little bit of flat plate giving you some more clearance to play with as the all that bit underneath is just for a different mounting isnt it as you can see the mounting holes at the bottom of it!!!

[Andyquadra]

Well I think its time I did a bit more work to the old beast! I'v got next week off work to play, and the list of work is....
Finish off the exhaust
make sure the clutch hydraulics work
get the car off the ramps
finish off the fuel system
refit the standard brakes to get the car moving while I finish off the 4 pot brackets
fit cat cams vernier and adaptronic and start engine

[Lee_R21Turbo]

......or alternatively do nothing of the above & drink copious amounts of wine & relax!!!!!

[Tony]

I would go with lee's idea, lol.

[DaveL485]

Nooooooo, get on with it FFS!!!!

[Andyquadra]

So far this week I'v finished off building a 21t engine and dropped it off to the dyno.... not my engine
Also I'v done a bit of running around to get parts together, and this afternoon put all the standard brakes back on just to get the car moving.
Tomorrow, now I'v got everything to finish off the exhaust, that's first on the list and then the last couple of bits for the fuel system.
Watch this space :-)
Andy

[Andyquadra]

Today I got the exhaust and fuel system finished and also fitted the monster 110 amp alternator. Tomorrow is D day, will it start?

Andy

[la21t]

Excellent stuff ;-)

[Lee_R21Turbo]

Nice one dude - course it will start.....for a couple of seconds anyway lol

[DaveL485]

Well, we got it to the point of trying to start it, but we were short on time....

Tried for half hour but didnt seem to be getting anything from the 36-1 pickup on the crank pulley....either that or the coil is dead.
Still, it's getting there! Andy has done a LOT more than you'd think from the jokes and jibes lol. Pics later!

[Andyquadra]

BIG thank you Dave for coming down, Its what I needed to get me going again. Having said that I need to go back to work for a rest, I'm knackered!

[DaveL485]

Few snaps-

The rather phat sidey- Very nice job indeed.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0255.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0256.jpg

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http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0258.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0259.jpg

Downpipe off the car-

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0271.jpg

Fuel system bits.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0254.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0266.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0267.jpg

And while I was clambering out from underneath the oil catch can

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0261.jpg

36-1 trigger

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0262.jpg

One off poly insert engine mount

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0264.jpg

Fans....on the back....

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0263.jpg

Loving the cooler.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0265.jpg

Turbo-

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0269.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0268.jpg

We had to get it down. It was up HIGH in the air considering where we were!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0272.jpg

Has it really been THAT long?

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0274.jpg

Making a pump loom for the pressure pump, from the wiring for a HID bulb kit. Rather tidy job, except Rabson-san bought the wrong size rings for the pump fitting lol

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0276.jpg

Finally proof of a much contrived event. Rabson actually DOING something on his ornament!!!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0275.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_0270.jpg

**Shock**!!!

LOL

Make no mistake though boys and girls, there's some serious kit right here. There's nothing that i've seen in 21-land that is going to touch this thing once it's been mapped. Not even the current quickest UK 21Turbo that none of you know about and believe me that thing is a rocketship.

[Andyquadra]

Thanks for the pics Dave. It all looks the same/normal to me until someone else looks at it
But, the tail pipe isn't finished, the turbo on the car at the moment is just for running up, it'll be changed for a GT2871R(thats sitting in the spare room), it came off the road 5-6/05 and GOD I look s##t in the second to last pic! Having said that, not as bad as the rabbit friday night! FPMSL

Andy

[andybond]

Wow. Impressive stuff.

The ornament has just got a lot more expensive parts on it.

Its going to be like a ming vase soon

:)

[Tony]

Well i have the same cooler, its just the rest i don't :cry:

Nice one Andy and Dave, look's like she may be back on the road soon.

[Andyquadra]

Wow. Impressive stuff.

The ornament has just got a lot more expensive parts on it.

Its going to be like a ming vase soon

:)

Its taken 5 years to get like that!

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Well i have the same cooler, its just the rest i don't :cry:

Nice one Andy and Dave, look's like she may be back on the road soon.

Its been 5 years, why rush it! LOL

[MakeEverything]

I must say that there is 5 years worth of work there, and its very impressive having seen it in the flesh (albeit in the air!!)
Cant wait to see it running and see what power you get from it.
Quality work.

Rich.

[jonboy21t]

Not even the current quickest UK 21Turbo that none of you know about and believe me that thing is a rocketship.

Dave......now you're just trying to wind us up - you know VUK is still in Belgium......:biggrin::biggrin:

Seriously though - it's about time it was back on the road - i haven't seen it since the rolling road shot-out in Luton....& that was chuffing years ago....:cry:

[DaveL485]

Not even the current quickest UK 21Turbo that none of you know about and believe me that thing is a rocketship.



I'm not kidding mate, in a straight line it rips mine to bits and I can match Atkins M3 dead @ 320bhp.

Pity he doesn't come out to play much!

[danb]

where in the uk is said fastest 21 then and what are the specs etc

[DaveL485]

where in the uk is said fastest 21 then and what are the specs etc

249brake RR verified, plus 100 shot of NoS with a progressive Wizards of NoS controller. Lives in Nottingham.

It
goes
like
FOOK :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Of course, I was forced to take him out in mine- ".....I'd NEVER drive my car like that....." he says. :wink::wink:

[la21t]

I'm not kidding mate, in a straight line it rips mine to bits and I can match Atkins M3 dead @ 320bhp.

Pity he doesn't come out to play much!

U match me on bendy A roads that I have no knowledge of..........my foot was at no point planted.
And and and you have a car weighing considerably less. My engine and box weighs 2/3rds of your car lol

[danb]

249brake RR verified, plus 100 shot of NoS with a progressive Wizards of NoS controller. Lives in Nottingham.

It
goes
like
FOOK :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Of course, I was forced to take him out in mine- ".....I'd NEVER drive my car like that....." he says. :wink::wink:

take it they dont come on here then.... sounds interesting, what colour, phase, 2wd?

[Andyquadra]

blue quadra

[la21t]

White wheels? Once belonged to a Greek lad with an engine from Turbo P.A.C.S?

[danb]

hmmm, running standalone management?

[DaveL485]

blue quadra

Yes


White wheels? Once belonged to a Greek lad with an engine from Turbo P.A.C.S?

No not Tony Demitriou's old car


hmmm, running standalone management?

Nope.

[la21t]

Is he ginger or gay?

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Oh I know the one......its got a Cossie-esq inlet manifold aint it. One of ur pals from the BBQ, Ive been out in it.

[Andyquadra]

Thread hi jack!

[la21t]

Sorry. It's easy to get chatty lol

[andybond]

That button is useful isnt it Lee ?

[la21t]

Yup......ur all glad I asked now eh lol

[DaveL485]

Is he ginger or gay?

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Oh I know the one......its got a Cossie-esq inlet manifold aint it. One of ur pals from the BBQ, Ive been out in it.

You got it.

[la21t]

Karl someone...mates with the Evo driver?

[Tony]

I think my old gear box is in it, IF he hasn't blown it up again.

[Andyquadra]

I think my old gear box is in it, IF he hasn't blown it up again.

I'm surprised you remember Tony, didn't you go green after meeting Karl? ......or was it white ............or both! PMSL

Andy

[DaveL485]

Karl someone...mates with the Evo driver?

IS the evo driver.

Karl Herrod.

[Tony]

Well I remember the money in my pocket. lol. First meet him at a fcs. Then at one of Daves do's, and when he picked up the gearbox from me. Nice to see a Stu Harding box still going strong. lol.

[Andyquadra]

So far this week I'v finished off building a 21t engine and dropped it off to the dyno.... not my engine
Watch this space :-)
Andy

Well, its built and dyno'd now! I guess the power's ok LOL
Engine spec is
Renault 4 cylinder 1995cc J7R 720 aluminium block with under piston oil jets & modified to accept turbo oil return feed.
Standard crank lightened, balanced & knife edged.
Standard con rods balanced. (Serdi)
Super Ductile liners (Westwood)
Forged pistons, 8.1 compression (Wossner)
Renault 21 Turbo cylinder head, bigger 46.6mm inlet valves, uprated dual valve springs, dural caps, (Ferry Developments)
Camshaft 268° duration (Cat Cams)
Vernier camshaft pulley (Cat Cams)
Inlet manifold (21 Turbo)
55mm throttle body (Renault 21/25 TXi)
Plenum (Renault 21/25 TXi)
Injectors 660cc (Siemens)
3 Bar MAP Sensor (Ford)
Turbo (Garrett GT2860RS dual ball bearing)
Double piston dump valve with 25mm neck (Collins)
3 way boost control valve (Motec)
36-1 crank timing trigger wheel & sensor (Motec/Marelli)
Ecu (Motec M4)
Engine loom (DC Electronics)
Stainless steel exhaust manifold (FBI moteurs)
3” stainless steel exhaust (APT)
3” stainless steel silencer (Borla)
Steel billet flywheel (TTV Racing Components)
200mm clutch pressure plate & twin friction disc (Sachs Racing rated @ 480 ft/lbs))

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Image0052.jpg
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Image0049.jpg
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/PICT0219.jpg

[la21t]

Works well dont it?

[shep]

Works well dont it?

:tongue: yeah,im liking that well done m8.

[DaveL485]

That thing is gonna get a wiggle on.

Now get yours in there!!!

[am21T]

I like that a lot,
well done Andy,

:nod::clap2::clap2::clap2:

be nice to see the car finally on the road & running sweet,

[Andyquadra]

I like that a lot,
well done Andy,

:nod::clap2::clap2::clap2:

be nice to see the car finally on the road & running sweet,

Thank you, but its not my engine! I just built it

[am21T]

Thank you, but its not my engine! I just built it

Oh silly me,
thought it was going in ur quaddie,

nice anyway,who ever owns that will be a very happy person,

[Larsson7]

How much did the engine cost to build then?

[Andyquadra]

How much did the engine cost to build then?

That and a bit

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I must add that this engine was mapped on a dyno and not a rolling road so the power plot figures are at the fly wheel. Having said that the engine's going a 750kg rear wheel car, so its going to shift along quite well!

Andy

[Tony]

Nice spec Andy. Is yours going to be near that? Or better?

[Andyquadra]

Nice spec Andy. Is yours going to be near that? Or better?

I have no idea Tony, I'v got a GT2871R turbo, same inlet valves but bigger exhaust aswell, the heads been flowed more, the piper 276 regrind cam and its got slightly higher compression. Only a dyno session will tell

Andy

[Jo]

Nice one Andy. Do you have a datalog from the map ? Why its got that dip at 3500 ? Its about the same powerband ive got with the diff that the mine is a bit later because off the bigger turbo.

[MakeEverything]

Well done Andy. So i am stalking the right person for the right information then!??! :shocked::whoo:
The engine looks awesome as well.

[Lee_R21Turbo]

Nice one Andy. Do you have a datalog from the map ? Why its got that dip at 3500 ? Its about the same powerband ive got with the diff that the mine is a bit later because off the bigger turbo.

Look at the boost Jo, its not really a dip, its a spike before hand due to the 24psi, then it drops back to 21psi. I reckon if there hadnt been a spike that line would be smoother.

[Jo]

didnt see the boost figures, my bad. Andy, I dont wanna be an ars but that power is very close to the GT28RS max limits.

[B.roadbandit]

Just wondering, should,nt the motec control the boost to prevent spiking?

[MakeEverything]

Just wondering, should,nt the motec control the boost to prevent spiking?

Motec wont control the boost, only the fuel and ignition advance / retard. What the car effectively has is two power bands, but with some more tuning that flat spot could probably be taken out, though with the cams, that might prove harder than it sounds i should think.

All IMO of course, considering my limited knowledge of Turbo's and renault engines!!! :nerd:

[Lee_R21Turbo]

Nothing wrong with a boost spike provding that theres adequate fuelling there for it - gives it better mid range capabilities.

[B.roadbandit]

So with a programable controler u could get it to spike at certain rpm's to fill in the low spots on the torque/power curve to give the engine a more linier feel then?

[MakeEverything]

Im working with Megasquirt so its a different system, however the philosophy is still the same. By adjusting the VE table, injector opening times and the ignition map, you should be able to adjust the power curve to a point. Optimal power is achieved by reaching Stoich consistently throughout the power curve, however this can be quite tricky on high power applications as a result of large injectors, increased boost pressure and other "Variables" - each engine is different.

Generally, we tend to go richer than stoich, to avoid pinking, knock and in extreme cases, detonation and it is only at the desired power band that we manage to reach Stoichiometric values in combustion. It would be very interesting (in a nerdy way) to see what the Lambda readings were at the various plots in the map. I suspect that the dip in the power band is as a result of leaning our slightly though it could also be a characteristic of the cam.

[Andyquadra]

didnt see the boost figures, my bad. Andy, I dont wanna be an ars but that power is very close to the GT28RS max limits.
Your right Jo, it is on the limit of the GT28RS, but its perfect for this setup and application. The boost IS controlled by the motec and its meant to peak at 24psi to get the most out of the turbo then to drop off to 21.6-22 for the rest of the rev range. And you'll probably find the second rise is the cam coming in, anyway to have over 300ftlb from 2.6-5.3K is one hell of a power band

[MakeEverything]

The boost IS controlled by the motec

Clever stuff, and i stand corrected then!!. So does it have an electronic solenoid on the turbo then? Missed that when i looked, but then it was stuffed in the back of your car!!! :dizzy:

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anyway to have over 300ftlb from 2.6-5.3K is one hell of a power band

Absolutely, good effort. Id be happy with that!!
If i had the money, id be asking you to build me one!!!

[Andyquadra]

Clever stuff, and i stand corrected then!!. So does it have an electronic solenoid on the turbo then?

the motec controls a boost solenoid that's a bleed valve

[MakeEverything]

the motec controls a boost solenoid that's a bleed valve

Clever, so effectively an in-built boost controller as well. Megasquirt doesnt have that function, but does have a function for nitrous staged injection.

[Andyquadra]

Clever, so effectively an in-built boost controller as well. Megasquirt doesnt have that function, but does have a function for nitrous staged injection.

it probably does, its only a 12v feed and the ecu controls the earth

[MakeEverything]

it probably does, its only a 12v feed and the ecu controls the earth

Theres nowhere to adjust the "Boost" value, so i dont think there is on my particular version.

[clee]

It should have some control outputs that just need setting up ?

[MakeEverything]

It should have some control outputs that just need setting up ?

Theres a control output for Nitrous or water injection, but ive got plans for these at a later date.... :P

[Lee_R21Turbo]

Optimal power is achieved by reaching Stoich consistently throughout the power curve

Dont do that when you come to map your 21T engine though mate. If you ran Stoich on boost the engine would probably last all of 5 seconds, thats far too lean for on boost fueling!!!

Ideally you want to be running around 11.8-12 ish on boost rather than 14.7 (stoich).

[DaveL485]

Dont do that when you come to map your 21T engine though mate. If you ran Stoich on boost the engine would probably last all of 5 seconds, thats far too lean for on boost fueling!!!

Ideally you want to be running around 11.8-12 ish on boost rather than 14.7 (stoich).

Target AFR in powerband has always been 12 for us....

[Jo]

Theres a control output for Nitrous or water injection, but ive got plans for these at a later date.... :P

ive got the old megasquirter (!) from Craig and that one got the Nitrous,waterinjection and launchcontrol option.

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Target AFR in powerband has always been 12 for us....

low revs: 12.3
hi revs, full boost: 11.8

[MakeEverything]

That'll be a V3 then. Mine is a V2.2 with daughter board V3 upgrade, so still doesnt have the full functionality as the V3.

[jacw]

"nice anyway,who ever owns that will be a very happy person,"

You're right, a VERY HAPPY PERSON!

THANKS Andy for ALL your hard work & perserverence.

Cheers, John.

[Andyquadra]

"nice anyway,who ever owns that will be a very happy person,"

You're right, a VERY HAPPY PERSON!

THANKS Andy for ALL your hard work & perseverance.

Cheers, John.

Any time John its a pleasure, we got there in the end :nod:
Can't wait to see it in the car and out doing what its built for :first::car:

[Andyquadra]

Just worked it out 409bhp and 463ftlb per ton :flame::flame::rockon:

[andybond]

That will be quite adequate then ..

[MakeEverything]

Happy days.

[1bob]

In the spec sheet for the motor it lists 46.6mm Inlet valves and uprated valve springs.

Are the valves from the PRV V6 or a special item?
What are the valve springs and what sort of cost are we talking?

It also lists a 200mm Sachs clutch.
Is this the standard 21T size because I thought they were around 230mm?
Again what sort of price do these go for?

cheers

[Jo]

i'll guess you have a 200 mm twin plate clutch. Thats the max size for twins. Mine is custom made by helix, clutchassembly + custom flywheel, quoted for 2700 € all in (development-labour-materials). If you want one now it will be cheaper because the drawing/program exists.

[Andyquadra]

In the spec sheet for the motor it lists 46.6mm Inlet valves and uprated valve springs.

Are the valves from the PRV V6 or a special item?
What are the valve springs and what sort of cost are we talking?

It also lists a 200mm Sachs clutch.
Is this the standard 21T size because I thought they were around 230mm?
Again what sort of price do these go for?

cheers

Yes its a 200mm twin plate, and your right, the standard 21t is 230mm. The fly wheel to match the clutch is an off the shelf item and was about £240ish, but I don't know how much the clutch was.
The valves and springs where supplied by Ferry developments, so I couldn't tell you where they are from.

Andy

[DaveL485]

the standard 21t is 230mm.

228mm, actually.

It's all about the details.

[Jo]

The fly wheel to match the clutch is an off the shelf item and was about £240ish, but I don't know how much the clutch was.
Andy

Offshelf because you didnt need the OEM triggerpattern ?

[Andyquadra]

Offshelf because you didnt need the OEM triggerpattern ?

Off the shelf as in they'r listed on a uk website, you phone up and say "I want one of those" with or without the trigger partteren. The site lists 4 different fly wheels for the 21t!

Andy

www.ttvracing.com/

[1bob]

I googled ferry developments and couldn't find anything...hard to believe some companies aren't on the web yet!
Are ferry developments the only option for heavy duty valve springs, or do others do them? Did the Europa cup cars run h/d springs? Are they available?

Cheers

[clee]

They are ,but not much help .You need someone who can talk to them direct to get anywhere fast .
http://www.ferrydev.com/

[Jo]

here you go mate:

http://www.ferrydev.com/

The springs and valves from the cup cars aint avaible anymore. In a nutshell, they are about 1.5/2 mm bigger then std valves. They are shorter and have much stronger valvesprings. The valve seats(sittings are machined witch means that the valve sits deeper in the head. They also have a 3 angle shape.

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If youre on the website, go to catalogue, then in the pdf's " soupapes " (valves). The 21 is listed.

For springs, check ressorts.

[1bob]

Thanks for that, there is some good info there.
Do you have any camshaft specifications for the Europa cup engines?

cheers

[Jo]

europacup:290°/300° (in-out), 300 bhp@6300 rpm (43 mkg = 430Nm = 317 lb ft @ 4350rpm)
17-48-44-21

grA: 276°, 280bhp@5750 rpm (42,5 mkg = 425 Nm = 313 lb ft @ 4500 rpm)
30-70-70-30

grN: 250°, 230bhp@5500 rpm (33,6 mkg = 336 Nm = 248 lb ft @ 3500 rpm)
29.6-34.7-34.7-29.6

[1bob]

Thanks heaps for that Jo. Just what I was looking for.

[Andyquadra]

OMG! it lives!

[MakeEverything]

OMG! it lives!

Looks like its going to be a beast as well. Not half as loud as i thought it would be though. You got it sorted in the end then?

[danb]

:jaw:

was an emotional sight lol

[MakeEverything]

Did it stop dribbling?

[danb]

when you say 'it' I guess you mean Andy lol

[Tony]

YEAH! Was Dan running round like a small child?

[MakeEverything]

Well someone was running around like a small child.......

[Tony]

In that case I hope it was Andy coz Dave would have looked very silly.

[MakeEverything]

In that case I hope it was Andy coz Dave would have looked very silly.

LMAO

Actually, it was my 4 Y.O boy!!

He pointed at the engine in Andy's car and said "Look dad, youve got one of them"!!! lol

[danb]

hahahahaha 6 foot 1milion inch tall Dave running around like a kid in a candy store!

[Tony]

Trust me its not a pretty sight, but its hilarious.

[MakeEverything]

Trust me its not a pretty sight, but its hilarious.

Especially when he drops his trousers and takes half of his bloody clothes off!

[danb]

Especially when he drops his trousers and takes half of his bloody clothes off!

hahaha

[Tony]

Especially when he drops his trousers and takes half of his bloody clothes off!

Psml. It's a sight to behold.

[DaveL485]

IT RUNS. Pretty easy to start up too considering.

It was first start from cold on full standalone, with a 36-1 triggerwheel. We used a base map we did from a std 21Turbo with the reconfigured timing settings.
We had to DOUBLE the fuelling settings at that rev and map settings to get to to even catch LOL

Lots of work still to do, but now its running its all downhill from here!!!

GO ANDY!!!

[Andyquadra]

its all downhill from here!!!

GO ANDY!!!

Well, there is a ramp out of the garage!

[andybond]

it runs. Pretty easy to start up too considering.

It was first start from cold on full standalone, with a 36-1 triggerwheel. We used a base map we did from a std 21turbo with the reconfigured timing settings.
We had to double the fuelling settings at that rev and map settings to get to to even catch lol

lots of work still to do, but now its running its all downhill from here!!!

Go andy!!!

ttiuwov

[Andyquadra]

ttiuwov

Ya wot

[danb]

ttiuwov

agree but ios4 doesnt supply that function as standard on 3g!

[MakeEverything]

Andy,

Can you post a picture of your VR sensor mounting please? Either that, or can i come and take some of my own please? Looking at mounting mine this week and i have an idea to make an adjustable bracket, but wanted to have a look at yours rather than re-invent the wheel!

[Andyquadra]

Andy,

Can you post a picture of your VR sensor mounting please? Either that, or can i come and take some of my own please? Looking at mounting mine this week and i have an idea to make an adjustable bracket, but wanted to have a look at yours rather than re-invent the wheel!

No probs, I'll give you a call when I'm on my way home today. Not sure what time it'll be as I'm out with my boss today.....got to pick up and drop him off from Peterborough!

[andybond]

Ya wot

This Thread Is Useless With Out Video

[MakeEverything]

Andy, you can borrow my digital camera if you want to upload some footage?

[Andyquadra]

I guess I should update the thread
Well the Quadra's been put on a crash diet! to date I think I'v saved it about 25kg not including seats ( I reckon 60kg for the front and rear seats)
Then there's the trim, door cards and sun roof to go next.
I'm now thinking along the lines of the Fuego, full on stripped out, dash as well!

Andy

[Tony]

Are you thinking of putting a cage in as well?

[Andyquadra]

Are you thinking of putting a cage in as well?

Don't tempt me Tony!

[Tony]

Well if your going to all the trouble of stripping her out. You may as well put a cage in.

[Jo]

1200 £ for a custom 20 point cage (safety devices) :biggrin1:

[Andyquadra]

it breaths again!

[DaveL485]

Upon arrival-

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/DaveL485/IMG_1437.jpg

[Tony]

Woo hoo, its out of the garage.

[Andyquadra]

Woo hoo, its out of the garage.
And its back in the garage!

[DaveL485]

And.....It moves under its own power!

Thats right folks. It really moves! (only a bit though, apparently its easy to stall when there's no drivers seat and some pikey indian has stolen the IACV lol)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KKJax6obKU

[MakeEverything]

Brilliant. Sounds like mine as well! Good effort chaps. What time are you starting tomorrow? I might pop over for a looksie..... And to take the piss out of Daves laugh!

[DaveL485]

Sorry....my battery was running low toward the end....

[MakeEverything]

Sorry....my battery was running low toward the end....

I don't get it....

[DaveL485]

Listen to the laugh...gets slower towards the end like a starter turning over slower as the battery runs down.

Its not funny if you have to explain it.

You tit.

[MakeEverything]

Listen to the laugh...gets slower towards the end like a starter turning over slower as the battery runs down.

Its not funny if you have to explain it.

You tit.

http://www.aahsun.com/wpblog/wp-content/wppic/funny_breast.jpg

[Andyquadra]

Another good days work, even drove it a bit! All the rust is now sorted now and 2 seats bolted in.

[MakeEverything]

Another good days work, even drove it a bit! All the rust is now sorted now and 2 seats bolted in.

Quality. Its looking like a car now too. Stop taking stuff apart and just get it ready for MOT!

1780

[DaveL485]

Needs mapping first! (well, a basic map anyway)

[MakeEverything]

Needs mapping first! (well, a basic map anyway)

As long as it drives to the MOT station and passes emissions! It can be mapped later.

[DaveL485]

As long as it drives to the MOT station and passes emissions! It can be mapped later.

Soooooooooo....it needs a basic map then.

Thanks for repeating exactly what I said :)

[MakeEverything]

Soooooooooo....it needs a basic map then.

Thanks for repeating exactly what I said :)

Which it has, or it wouldn't have made it
Round the garages would it! Numb nut!

[DaveL485]

It drove around there but its not driveable on the road as yet. But you werent to know that.

We're doing well as wasting posts here, arent we lol

[MakeEverything]

It drove around there but its not driveable on the road as yet. But you werent to know that.

We're doing well as wasting posts here, arent we lol

Yes... :P

[andybond]

3.431 million 1 and 0 died making your posts.

Wont you think of the binary ?

[MakeEverything]

01010011 01101111 01110010 01110010 01111001 00100000 01101101 01110010 00100000 01100010 01101111 01101110 01100100 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110000 01110000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01100001 01100111 01100001 01101001 01101110 00101110 00100000 00111010 01010000

...and yes it does say something!! :)

[andybond]

8 bit binary eh ?
Can I be arsed in working it out ? No - no I cant ..

---------- Post added at 04:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 PM ----------

01010000011011000110111101101110011010110110010101 110010

[MakeEverything]

8 bit binary eh ?
Can I be arsed in working it out ? No - no I cant ..

---------- Post added at 04:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 PM ----------

01010000011011000110111101101110011010110110010101 110010

Rodney

[Andyquadra]

bog off and start your own thread you lot

[andybond]

There will be precious little movement on this thread for the next umpteen years , so I would worry too much Andy

[MakeEverything]

There will be precious little movement on this thread for the next umpteen years , so I would worry too much Andy

Lol, you asked for that!

[DaveL485]

01011001011011110111010100100000011000010110110001 1011000010000001110011011101010110001101101011

[MakeEverything]

01011001011011110111010100100000011000010110110001 1011000010000001110011011101010110001101101011


Not as much as you rent boy.

[Andyquadra]

Well I'v got this week off work, and I'v spent yesterday and today fitting the new rad and sorting out the boost hose. I haven't had to modify the car much, just flatten off the front lip on the lower cross member. But all I'v got to do is sort out the new rad hoses and drop off a couple of bit to be ally welded.
This pic is from yesterday, so not the final fit

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Photo0166.jpg

[MakeEverything]

Whats the target before the end of the week? Would be good to hit a milestone. Looks great in the flesh too. Cant wait to give you a run for your money at Santa Pod....

[Andyquadra]

Whats the target before the end of the week? Would be good to hit a milestone. Looks great in the flesh too. Cant wait to give you a run for your money at Santa Pod....

Dude, its her-in-doors birthday tomorrow, so a right off. Friday.... want to get the mounts for the new rad sorted and the boost hose done. That means I can measure up for the new rad hoses and get them ordered. Then its sent off to get the wiring and running in map done.

[MakeEverything]

Dude, its her-in-doors birthday tomorrow, so a right off. Friday.... want to get the mounts for the new rad sorted and the boost hose done. That means I can measure up for the new rad hoses and get them ordered. Then its sent off to get the wiring and running in map done.

Excellent

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/29/100276794_548c83c4eb.jpg

[haz]

Looking good, there could be nearly enough running 21's to organise an event soon lol.

[MakeEverything]

Looking good, there could be nearly enough running 21's to organise an event soon lol.

A 'Banger Race', so to speak!! lol

[Andyquadra]

Dude, its her-in-doors birthday tomorrow, so a right off.
oh yes! she's off out with her mum today, just waiting for them to go out and I'll be in the garage

[MakeEverything]

oh yes! she's off out with her mum today, just waiting for them to go out and I'll be in the garage

Awesome news! Send her out with some money (£100 or so) to keep her sweet "Get something nice for yourself love, and have a nice time" and 9 times out of 10, they come back with something for you!! :D :D

[DaveL485]

B's birthday and you're in the garage? She's defo a keeper LOL

[Andyquadra]

well today's plan is to finish off mounting the radiator and hopefully pick up the the last bit of ally welding that I dropped off yesterday. Turns out the guy doing the welding used to have a 21T some 20 years ago and always wanted a Quadra.

[Andyquadra]

Finished off the mounting brackets for the cosworth radiator, with just enough space to get 2 10" spal fans on the back
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Photo0175.jpg
Really pleased with the alloy welding, Mark at Brooklands welding has welded on the sensor boss's I made up and also the boost hose and dump valve take off.
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Photo0176.jpg
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Photo0180.jpg



So all I'v got to do is finish off the idle speed valve, I'm still not happy with it. Also waiting for my thermostat bypass valve to turn up, then I can measure up for the rad hoses.

[Andyquadra]

a bit of spare time, a sheet of 3mm aluminium and the need to space the brake disc out to miss the ball joint =
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Photo0182.jpg
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Photo0183.jpg
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/Andyquadra/Photo0185.jpg
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half way there, just need to make a few holes. God I love having a lathe and milling machine in my shed!

[haz]

Looks like your making good progress. I does help having the proper tools too. Sure I've seen that pump and swirl pot arrangement somewhere ;)

[Andyquadra]

Sure I've seen that pump and swirl pot arrangement somewhere ;)

Yes, in my car first, then someone used the plans on a shoe string:biggrin:

[MakeEverything]

God I love having a lathe and milling machine in my shed!

See, and you were going to lend me your milling machine!! I must admit though, i would be on it all the time!!

[haz]

Copy cats eh, pfft, lol. Any reason you've both done that? I know it should be safe but I'd be worried about havin a ltr of fuel in the engine bay, plus only heat soak it may get.

[MakeEverything]

Copy cats eh, pfft, lol. Any reason you've both done that? I know it should be safe but I'd be worried about havin a ltr of fuel in the engine bay, plus only heat soak it may get.

Ive got about 60L in my engine bay! And its about 1" away from the supercharger pulley!!

[haz]

Is there no room up front for that? A tanks a bit different tho as not pressurised, but if that pulley does come off and go through, can you get out of that fast enough lol

[MakeEverything]

Is there no room up front for that? A tanks a bit different tho as not pressurised, but if that pulley does come off and go through, can you get out of that fast enough lol

Mine is all behind me!!

[Andyquadra]

Copy cats eh, pfft, lol. Any reason you've both done that? I know it should be safe but I'd be worried about havin a ltr of fuel in the engine bay, plus only heat soak it may get.

The Fuego came with a very similar setup and that works really well, plus the cornering you can do in a Quadra can cause problems with fuel surge in the tank

[DaveL485]

Looks like your making good progress. I does help having the proper tools too. Sure I've seen that pump and swirl pot arrangement somewhere ;)

Yes you have, on my car. And we BOTH stole it from the Fuego setup lol


Yes, in my car second, then someone used the plans on a shoe string:biggrin:

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Is there no room up front for that? A tanks a bit different tho as not pressurised, but if that pulley does come off and go through, can you get out of that fast enough lol

The swirl pot isn't pressurised either, only the pressure pump, line to rail, rail and line out up to the regulator is pressurised. There's less pressurised system in mine and Andy's than there is in yours.
Temperature isnt a problem as the fuel constantly circulates around from tank>swirl>tank and swirl>rail>swirl. It's always cold. Before I fitted mine, anything under about 2 gallons in the tank and under hard cornering right the fuel would wash up the side of the tank and the pump would take a big gulp of nothing, i'd jam my foot down and just get a load of misfiring and popping before it picked up and took off. Very annoying.

Works well, and there's plenty of room inside for the battery. I'd rather have the battery inside than a litre or more of fuel, plus I can reach the terminals to disconnect without even undoing my harness.

[Andyquadra]

Yes you have, on my car. And we BOTH stole it from the Fuego setup lol



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The swirl pot isn't pressurised either, only the pressure pump, line to rail, rail and line out up to the regulator is pressurised. There's less pressurised system in mine and Andy's than there is in yours.
Temperature isnt a problem as the fuel constantly circulates around from tank>swirl>tank and swirl>rail>swirl. It's always cold. Before I fitted mine, anything under about 2 gallons in the tank and under hard cornering right the fuel would wash up the side of the tank and the pump would take a big gulp of nothing, i'd jam my foot down and just get a load of misfiring and popping before it picked up and took off. Very annoying.

Works well, and there's plenty of room inside for the battery. I'd rather have the battery inside than a litre or more of fuel, plus I can reach the terminals to disconnect without even undoing my harness.

not that I'm picking :-) I installed my fuel system 8/8/2009! page 2 and 3 of this thread and yours was 25/5/2010:playful:
I'v probably got even less of a pressurised system as well, all I'v got is from the pump in front of the swirl pot, the line to the fuel rail and the rail itself, no more as my pressure reg is bolted to the rail.

[DaveL485]

not that I'm picking :-) I installed my fuel system 8/8/2009! page 2 and 3 of this thread and yours was 25/5/2010:playful:
I'v probably got even less of a pressurised system as well, all I'v got is from the pump in front of the swirl pot, the line to the fuel rail and the rail itself, no more as my pressure reg is bolted to the rail.

When did we buy the Fuego again?

Yes, you were second scumbag (and I was third lol) http://www.pistonheads.com/inc/images/smile.gif

[Andyquadra]

When did we buy the Fuego again?

Yes, you were second scumbag (and I was third lol) http://www.pistonheads.com/inc/images/smile.gif

:witless:

[andybond]

When did we buy the Fuego again?



When was the last time it was out ?

[haz]

Oh right, are you not using the std pump to feed the surge pot?

[MakeEverything]

Oh right, are you not using the std pump to feed the surge pot?

He's using a low pressure lift pump to the swirl pot which circulates back to the tank, then a high pressure pump from there to the fuel rail.

[Andyquadra]

Oh right, are you not using the std pump to feed the surge pot?

At the back of the car, there's a standard cosworth pump filling the swirl pot. Without the second pump kicking in, the first pump fills the pot and once its full the overflow goes back into the main tank, no pressure reg in this part of the system. The second 044 bosch pump, next to the pot, sucks fuel through a filter and pumps it into the rail and pressure reg. The fuel then goes back into the swirl pot, and any overflow goes into the tank. There's 4 pipes on the swirl pot, feed from main tank, return to main tank, feed to fuel rail, return from rail. I guess there's going to be a certain amount of pressure build up in the swirl pot, but its only going to be created by the first unregulated pump filling the swirl pot, so very little.

[DaveL485]

When was the last time it was out ?

About the last time your five was reliable.


Oh right, are you not using the std pump to feed the surge pot?

Yes. No point in pressurising it though is there.

[andybond]

About the last time your five was reliable.





I wasnt having a go - genuine curiosity. Would be great to see it. I never have

[haz]

About the last time your five was reliable.



Yes. No point in pressurising it though is there.

Was his 5 ever ;)
Regards the pot, it wont have the pressure of the rail but there has to be some to force the fuel through the return and back to the tank. As the hoses are the same size to and from the pot then the pressure will be the same as it leaves the pump round the system back to the tank. So it is pressurised then?

[MakeEverything]

Was his 5 ever ;)
Regards the pot, it wont have the pressure of the rail but there has to be some to force the fuel through the return and back to the tank. As the hoses are the same size to and from the pot then the pressure will be the same as it leaves the pump round the system back to the tank. So it is pressurised then?

But the pressure of the fuel being forced out back to the tank is also lowered by the HP pump sucking it out the injectors and being burned! Pressure in there is negligible, by comparison to fuel systems in an injection car.

[DaveL485]

Was his 5 ever ;)
Regards the pot, it wont have the pressure of the rail but there has to be some to force the fuel through the return and back to the tank. As the hoses are the same size to and from the pot then the pressure will be the same as it leaves the pump round the system back to the tank. So it is pressurised then?

No, I don't count it as a pressurised circuit. Yes the pump runs fuel around the circuit and to move the fuel it technically has to create "pressure" after the pump but very little indeed, probably not even measurable, and there is no mechanism to introduce any sort of stress. It just fills the swirl pot and then pops off down a pipe back to the tank. It's under no more pressure than the return to tank from the back of the reg, on the OE setup.

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But the pressure of the fuel being forced out back to the tank is also lowered by the HP pump sucking it out the injectors and being burned! Pressure in there is negligible, by comparison to fuel systems in an injection car.

I'd bet a whole pound that the lift pump curcuit sees below 1Psi unless the swirl pot outlet at the top is considerably reduced in diameter to create an almost regulator effect (but why would you, the intention is to keep the swirl pot full so the less backpressure, the more flow from the lift pump.

[MakeEverything]

I'd bet a whole pound that the lift pump curcuit sees below 1Psi unless the swirl pot outlet at the top is considerably reduced in diameter to create an almost regulator effect (but why would you, the intention is to keep the swirl pot full so the less backpressure, the more flow from the lift pump.

I agree.

[haz]

Fair enough. Are the main tanks not baffled on either 2wd or quad?

[DaveL485]

Fair enough. Are the main tanks not baffled on either 2wd or quad?

Never opened one up but yes I think there is some baffling in there, but when your car corners hard enough to make your eyes fall out it's just not enough!